Modern Marvels (again)

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axel33
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Modern Marvels (again)

Postby axel33 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:49 am

Hi

I have tried to add some German titles to Modern Marvels 71697 (https://www.thetvdb.com/series/modern-marvels), but it's very difficult, because it's really a mess.

I compared History.com and TheTVDB.com. Season 13 and Season 17 from History.com are almost completely missing on TheTVdb.com. The episodes of season 13 on TheTVdb.com are mostly duplicates from Season 12 and the episodes of season 17 are duplicates from season 15. Most (all?) of the wrong ones have been changed this month by user 'thefuzz4', but there are still the pictures and some german titles of the correct episodes.

Maybe a good point to start would be to revoke everything from 'thefuzz4' in this series and to lock the seasons.

E.g.: S13E03:
Title Englisch: Shotguns (same as S12E36)
Fist aired: 02/20/2006
Image: Cans
German titel: Konserven (means cans in English)
Episode S13E03 in History.com: Canning

I could change the titles of S13 and S17 back to the correct titles, but I'm a little bit afraid, 'fuzz4' will change them again...

If I can do something, just let me know.

Thanks.

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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby rev.pragon » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:51 am

Ok. So I´ve changed the Title on S13E3 to Canning and locked the Episode only, so no one can change it back. For futured Requests provide a Link to the Show, Episode itself from the Producer/Original Broadcaster so that we can verify your Changes better.
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axel33
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby axel33 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:55 am

Thanks. But this was only one of many wrong ones.

I took all the episode from IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199248), History.com (https://www.history.com/shows/modern-marvels), Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Modern_Marvels_episodes) and TheTVdb (https://www.thetvdb.com/series/modern-marvels) and tried to align them by title and first aired date.

I found a total of 712 episodes. 596 out of these are in theTVdb and 116 are not (88 from the 684 in in theTVdb are duplicates). Some have the same first aired date in all systems, but NON of them have the same season/episode.

The details are:

369 are in all 4 system (246 with the same first aired date in all 4)
188 are in theTVdb, imdb and wiki (150 with the same first aired date in all 3)
10 are in theTVdb, history and wiki (3 with the same first aired date in all 3)
2 are in theTVdb, imdb and history (1 with the same first aired date in all 3)
21 are in theTVdb and wiki (18 with the same first aired date in both)
6 are only in theTVdb

50 are in imdb, history and wiki (35 with the same first aired date in all 3)
14 are in imdb and wiki (11 with the same first aired date in both)
6 are in history and wiki (3 with the same first aired date in both)

4 are only in imdb
6 are only in history
36 are only in wiki

Let's assume I did nothing wrong. What now?

I only care about the title and description. For me it's fine when I (or somebody else) add at least the 70 episodes that are missing in theTVdb and are in more than one system. I can add them in the specials season or a new season. Then it is still a mess, but at least it is complete.

To have it really clean, the episodes should be sorted by date, numbered accordingly and put in a season depending on the year. But this will be a lot of work.

I can deliver you whatever list you want.

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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby rev.pragon » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:47 am

That´s really a lot of Work and i don´t know how this Mess has happened. But we only prefer the List from the originally first Proadcaster. It would be truely a Lot of Work for you to provide and for us to check everything. But the Series isn´t locked so you can add the Episodes all by yourself. But refer to the Original Broadcaster. Wiki and imdb is NOT a valid Source for the Data.
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby texflood » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:11 pm

I've been using TVDB for TV series that I record from local OTA digital TV broadcasts and the data has always seemed solid.

Modern Marvels is incomplete and doesn't match up with the EPG provided information.

I don't really know where the issue is, the EPG data, TVDB or what.

The episode list I can find at the history channel web site is incomplete, only a subset listing full episodes currently available to watch there.

Comparing the first three episodes from the history channel to Wikipedia and IMDB match to the first three episodes of season 14 of both sites.

The couple of spot checks I did previously on EPG episode names seemed to match Wikipedia and weren't available for comparison on the history channel.

It's all very confusing.

I ended up accidentally deleting all my recorded episodes while looking for a method to fix the episode names. I was pretty close to a workaround, basically renaming all the files to just keep episodes names, not numbers, then looking those up on IMDB and assigning whatever season/episode IMDB had. I don't care as much about season/episode info as having the correct episode title. I used a bulk file renamer and filebot for that.

Guess I'll record some more episodes so I can test that again. It's not ideal, but the only thing I've come up with so far...

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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby texflood » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:49 pm

Just an added note to my above post. I see that I didn't mention what season the first three episodes from the history channel that I compared. It was season 13 on the history channel, first three episodes. I can't edit the above post so adding for clarity.

Dxcv
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby Dxcv » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:58 pm

Hello. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have to agree with the assessment of the other posters that Modern Marvels is quite out of order. I don't mind helping out and editing things, but I want to make sure we are all working from the same source. As previously posted, History has done some of the work for us at https://www.history.com/shows/modern-marvels/season-2 Since they are the original source, it should just be a matter of copying it over correct?

As for screenshots, I can probably create screenshots from some of the episodes I have in my collection. Its not a large number of episodes, but I am growing it as often as I can.

axel33
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby axel33 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:17 am

As I wrote in my first post. A lot of the mess in seasons 13 and 17/18 has been made by user 'thefuzz4' this month.

Only a few samples he changed:
S13-E01: Changed from Balls to Fire. The old title is now missing, the new title is duplicate of S12-E02.
S13-E02: Changed from Environmental Tech (1) to Nature Tech: Avalanche. The old title is now missing, the new title is duplicate of S12-E09.
S13-E03: Changed from Canning to Dogs. This has already been fixed because of my first post.
S13-E04: Changed from Pumps to Cola Wars. The old title is now missing, the new title is duplicate of S12-E34.
S13-E05: Changed from Ice to Containers. The old title is now missing, the new title is duplicate of S12-E01.

and so on...

If I don't get another statement, I will add the following 70 episodes on Friday (just following the existing episodes). And if somebody cares I can deliver a list of the 74 duplicates in TheTVdb.

Cruise Ships (1994-1-1 add in season Specials)
Tunnels (1995-10-8 add in season Specials)
Aqueducts (1996-10-6 add in season Specials)
Thinking Machines: The Creation of the Computer (1996-11-24 add in season Specials)
Captured Light (1996-12-15 add in season Specials)
Space Tech (1998-1-1 add in season Specials)
Antibiotics (1998-9-28 add in season Specials)
History of Tall Buildings (1999-2-8 add in season Specials)
City Parks (1999-3-9 add in season Specials)
Crash Testing (1999-8-9 add in season Specials)
The Space Station (2000-2-3 add in season Specials)
B-26 Martin Marauder (add in season Specials)
Home Tech (2001-1-3 add in season Specials)
International Airports II (2001-5-14 add in season Specials)
Star City (2002-4-9 add in season Specials)
The PT Boats (2003-9-24 add in season Specials)
SOS Tech (2004-9-8 add in season Specials)
Movie Theaters (2004-11-24 add in season Specials)
Wind (2006-1-1 add in season Specials)
Balls (2007-1-17 add in season S13)
Environmental Tech (2007-1-24 add in season S13)
Canning (2007-1-31 add in season S13)
Pumps (2007-2-7 add in season S13)
Ice (2007-2-11 add in season S13)
The Destroyer (2007-2-13 add in season S13)
Star Trek Tech (2007-2-18 add in season S13)
Weapons of Mass Destruction (2007-2-21 add in season S13)
Barbarian Battle Tech (2007-3-4 add in season S13)
Dams (2007-3-28 add in season S13)
Yard Tech (2007-4-12 add in season S13)
More Military Movers (2007-4-18 add in season S13)
Deep Sea Salvage (2007-5-2 add in season S13)
Welding (2007-5-9 add in season S13)
It Came From Outer Space (2007-5-16 add in season S13)
'60s Tech (2007-5-16 add in season S13)
World's Strongest II (2007-5-23 add in season S13)
Engineering Disasters of the '70s (2007-5-30 add in season S13)
'70s Tech (2007-5-30 add in season S13)
Truck Stops (2007-6-13 add in season S13)
Fertilizer (2007-6-20 add in season S13)
Cheese (2007-6-27 add in season S13)
Saws (2007-7-18 add in season S13)
Aluminum (2007-7-25 add in season S13)
Sticky Stuff (2007-7-30 add in season S13)
Chocolate (2007-8-6 add in season S13)
Bedroom Tech (2007-8-13 add in season S13)
Vacuums (2007-8-23 add in season S13)
Traps (2007-8-27 add in season S13)
Star Wars Tech (2007-9-3 add in season S13)
Extreme Aircraft II (2007-9-20 add in season S13)
Deep Freeze (2007-9-25 add in season S13)
Acid (2007-10-1 add in season S13)
World's Sharpest (2007-10-11 add in season S13)
Engineering Disasters 21 (2007-10-25 add in season S13)
Environmental Tech II (2007-11-12 add in season S13)
Corn (2007-11-19 add in season S13)
The Pig (2007-11-27 add in season S13)
Rocks (2007-12-3 add in season S13)
Most Shocking (2007-12-10 add in season S13)
Cold Cuts (2007-12-17 add in season S13)
Fast Food Tech (2007-12-26 add in season S13)
Mega Speed Countdown (2012-7-16 add in season S18)
Mega Machine Countdown (2012-7-23 add in season S18)
Mega Weapon Countdown (2012-7-30 add in season S18)
Mega Food Countdown (2012-8-27 add in season S18)
Mega Snack Countdown (2013-9-7 add in season S18)
Super Strong Countdown (2013-9-14 add in season S18)
Amazing Job Countdown (2013-9-21 add in season S18)
Strangest Countdown (2013-9-28 add in season S18)
Hottest Rides Countdown (2014-6-15 add in season S18)



Here you'll find a list of all the episodes I found in the four sources with first aired date and episode/season number.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQGShs8jcnm6dQEgnj75wwBkk-Eb80xq8LH605CcIUW-VqVV4yPV-aTrqzdliQUJG3mS-K2dR29BCZn/pubhtml

rev.pragon
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby rev.pragon » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:26 am

As long as everything is in Common with the Rules and the Original Broadcasterlist you can add the missing Episodes/Screenshots.....
If some are to delete, just post it.
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Dxcv
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Re: Modern Marvels (again)

Postby Dxcv » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:54 pm

Looking again at History. I am not sure how accurate their order is now. The air dates on Season 2 do not make sense. S02E07 on https://www.history.com/shows/modern-marvels/season-2 has an air date of November 1995. The episodes around it all have an air date of the first half of 1996