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Darkrenzo
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Saga Vs Season...

Postby Darkrenzo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:41 am

Hi guys. I am fresh to the forums here.
I am a Plex user and use the TVDB agent for almost all of my metadata.
I do have query about the episode numbering you guys employ here as it is kind of messing with my flow...

Sagas Vs Seasons... When it comes to these I see you guys treat them as one and the same.
It is something that I think really only occurs in anime's (from what I have seen) and even then it is a rarity.
But in this case I am talking about Dragon Ball Super. This anime does not employ the usual episodic structure like most anime's and TV shows do. It does not actually have any 'Seasons' but rather 'Sagas' and this means that rather than the episode count resetting, it continues into the new saga with first episode starting from the next episode number.
So now when I spit my episodes up into the "seasons" that you guys have, only my first saga gets metadata and the rest don't, because the next episode to start of saga 2 is episode 15 and you have it down as episode 1.
I know that you will probably come back to me with "why don't you rename your episodes to match ours" or something to the like. While this is possible... it isn't actually how it is. I like to keep my episodes named exactly how they are supposed to be so they show up fine both on the Plex and on my DLNA server.

So my question is to you... Does giving the episode the number that it actually is disrupt your site mechanic in anyway that does not make it possible? Will starting Saga (season) 2 off from episode 15 be something that is not possible due to the mechanics or the code of your website?
Or is this something you can possibly adopt for the anime's like DBS, Bleach Naruto and the such that don't actually have their episode numbers split into seasons?

Thank-you for taking the time to read this and I hope that it helps other anime users that like to keep their file names uniform and correct as well.

Darkrenzo
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Darkrenzo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:38 am

My apologies... I forgot to add the TVDB link in my post.

https://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=295068&lid=7

And sorry for not providing a particular source, but it is pretty common knowledge in the anime world that long running series like Dragon Ball (Z/S), Bleach, Naruto, One Piece and such have continuous and high running episode numbers.
As apposed to an anime like say Attack On Titan, which actually comes out in actual seasons.

Thanx Again

Maretoh
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Maretoh » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:28 pm

Doesn't the DVD order match what you're looking for?
https://www.thetvdb.com/index.php?id=29 ... &order=dvd
An episode a day keeps the doctor away.

knossos
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby knossos » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:54 am

The order might, but the naming would not meet his requirement because those are also numbered by season name. Even the absolute order (likely closer to what he's looking for) still names them by season.

Darkrenzo
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Darkrenzo » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:45 am

Sorry for the late reply... I dont seem to be getting any notifications on this post.

Yes unfortunately the dvd order numbering convention used here does not work for me as per the reasons explained already by Knossos.

Which I find interesting since the dvd/bluray releases do not employ the method of numbering used on this site, but rather then method that I have suggested, as seen on these two released titles -

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-sho ... -1/460317/
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-sho ... -2/499518/

Also in relation to the red bar at the top saying - "Forum rules
This sub-forum is for the discussion of site policy and the handling thereof ONLY.
Please direct all change requests to the main forum."

I did post this in the Series Change Requests main forum. Not too sure how it ended up here in this sub forum (or even what this sub forum is really for), but I am new here and am not to sure exactly how you guys organize all this. I am not an avid forum user either, so some of the concepts and explanations get lost on me.
My apologies for that.

Symyr
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Symyr » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:09 pm

I'm actually curious what the actual rules are aswell because i had the same reasoning as Darkrenzo. Only after awhile i got really fed up with my stuff not being in order so i changed them all to fit into the season guidelines i found on wikipedia which made it all work again but at some point it started being out of sync again. At this point with one piece for instance it's 3 episodes off, i tried to put the season, episodenumber and title of each episode in the file name but that didn't change anything either.
So i would really like to know how it's decided something is put in saga's or seasons and also what episodeguide they follow.
Thanks to anyone who can clarify

sp1ti
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby sp1ti » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:35 pm

I'm sure if you actually search the forums you will find lots of posts about this particular topic (in the past the technical side was an argument against huge seasons for example). Anyways, as you might have noticed almost all anime shows do have up-to-date metadata for "absolute" numbers. This is because scrapers can actually sort anime episodes that way. I think something like FIlebot could do the job for you or even Sonarr (you can just use it to sort the content in w/o even relying on it's DL functions).
If anything the V2 of the site will bring improvements and probably also changes to the way shounen, televonas, etc. are handled allowing for different season orders and absolute ones (how the scrapers on plex implement this is another story (maybe TVDB can just give a default order)). See for example http://platypus.thetvdb.com/eng/series/ ... absolute/1

Darkrenzo
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Darkrenzo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:49 am

Honestly I do not understand most of what you wrote there. I did clearly state a number of times that I am very new to this and you seem to have wrote a post for someone who has a firm grasp on these concepts that you have mentioned.

That being said... I checked the link out and that listing (despite all the different language duplicates) is exactly what I am after. And if that is indeed what the next version of the website will be employing for all large animes, then my issue will be solved.

Darkrenzo
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby Darkrenzo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:56 am

I dont see how much would have to change though to implement my original suggestion.

Could you not simply copy the CSS used for the "Seasons" pages and replace the word with "Saga" and point any show (pretty much just certain anime) that uses a sags set up to that saga CSS instead of the season one?

Then instead of starting off the next saga off at 1 again, start it off at the next number eg. Saga 1 eps1-13, Saga 2 eps13-27. Then the people who want the smaller seasons (now properly called sagas) and the people like myself that want the numbering of the episodes to remain true to what they really are, both win.

Or does it break the system if the next episode in a new saga does not start at 1 again?

sp1ti
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Re: Saga Vs Season...

Postby sp1ti » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:24 am

Darkrenzo wrote:Honestly I do not understand most of what you wrote there. I did clearly state a number of times that I am very new to this and you seem to have wrote a post for someone who has a firm grasp on these concepts that you have mentioned.


That is why I mentioned to use of the search function. We shouldn't need to retread the same ground whenever a new user signs up. There have been countless threads about this in regards to any shounen like OP, Bleach, Naruto, DBZ, Gintama, etc.

That said:
Darkrenzo wrote:I dont see how much would have to change though to implement my original suggestion.

Could you not simply copy the CSS used for the "Seasons" pages and replace the word with "Saga" and point any show (pretty much just certain anime) that uses a sags set up to that saga CSS instead of the season one?

Then instead of starting off the next saga off at 1 again, start it off at the next number eg. Saga 1 eps1-13, Saga 2 eps13-27. Then the people who want the smaller seasons (now properly called sagas) and the people like myself that want the numbering of the episodes to remain true to what they really are, both win.

Or does it break the system if the next episode in a new saga does not start at 1 again?


You are thinking of this a bit "too" easy. TVDB is a database with a schema behind it. Changing some text in the frontend (and not by CSS) while breaking integrity for 3rd party is not a good idea. Please have a look at absolute numbers. They are there to fill the gap. If you need this fixed in Plex: ask the Plex devs to do this.

Also some people would probably fight you on "Saga".. see Arcs/Cours etc.