Pokémon series - attention needed.

Series that require continual maintenance and / or aggressive cleanup.
ByteShare
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:11 am

Andro89 wrote:Hello, would it be possible to add at least the starters (+ evolutions) of the various generations among the votable characters in the single episodes? Some like Squirtle, Totodile or charizard are often protagonists of the episode and should be able to be voted, right?

Do you mean for the guest stars in an episode? If so, that is for actors not characters.

andcbii wrote:Any idea when some of the older seasons could be split out?

They won't be. Basically, we're following: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... php?id=270
for which seasons are sequels to the original series (season 1).
some of the long runs were broken up into their story arcs as seasons if they weren't a desecrate season. That is my understanding for the season splits.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:45 am

Vid209 wrote:When is this going to get corrected? Having the wrong seasons messes with many applications that use TheTVDB to pull the episode listings from. This is really a hassle when it comes to organizing any sort of video library.

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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:03 pm

Vid209 wrote:When is this going to get corrected? Having the wrong seasons messes with many applications that use TheTVDB to pull the episode listings from. This is really a hassle when it comes to organizing any sort of video library.

Which part specifically? The previous seasons are correctly organized for TheTVDB.
TheTVDB doesn't try to line up their database with external databases in all cases.
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:54 am

ByteShare wrote:
andcbii wrote:Any idea when some of the older seasons could be split out?
They won't be. Basically, we're following: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... php?id=270
for which seasons are sequels to the original series (season 1).
some of the long runs were broken up into their story arcs as seasons if they weren't a desecrate season. That is my understanding for the season splits.
Sorry, I'm a little lost. I clicked your link and don't see how it's relevant. They only have 276 episodes for Pokemon. TVDB has over 1100. The 17 seasons they have also don't match up with TVDB. The official website makes a distinction between what is grouped as season 18 in TVDB.

https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/

You will see they list "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon" separate from "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon—Ultra Adventures".

Every other show that is like this is split out. The meta data from TV providers lists the current season as 22. I have yet to find any other source suggesting there are only 18 seasons. Why is TVDB sorting them this way?
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:40 pm

My main issue with this series is that it's not consistent. For example the follow seasons are all the "Johto" episodes:

https://www.thetvdb.com/series/pokemon/ ... official/3
https://www.thetvdb.com/series/pokemon/ ... official/4
https://www.thetvdb.com/series/pokemon/ ... official/5

Why are these split if the sun and moon episodes are all grouped as 1?
https://www.thetvdb.com/series/pokemon/ ... fficial/18

Since this is a Japaneses show I assume we should go with how they break out the seasons, even if american broadcasters do it differently. From what I can tell, using the translator in chrome, they only list 10 season. Here is the official Japaneses site:

https://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/tv/?inc=lnav

Here is the Chrome translation for the series:
Pokemon - 81 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 1
Pokemon Orange Islands Hen - 36 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 2
Pocket monster gold and silver edition - 158 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 3 - 5
Pokemon Advance Generation - 192 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 6 - 9
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl - 191 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 10 - 13
Pokemon Best Wish (1) - 87 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 14
Pokemon Best Wish Season 2 - 59 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 15
Pokemon XY - 100 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 16
Pokemon XY & Z - 49 episodes- TVDB equivalent of Season 17
Current Season - 132 episodes - TVDB equivalent of Season 18

The show half matches how the US split seasons and 1/2 matches the Japanese sorting. Can it be updated to follow one or the other!!!???
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:28 am

andcbii wrote:Sorry, I'm a little lost. I clicked your link and don't see how it's relevant. They only have 276 episodes for Pokemon. TVDB has over 1100. The 17 seasons they have also don't match up with TVDB. The official website makes a distinction between what is grouped as season 18 in TVDB.
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/

You will see they list "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon" separate from "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon—Ultra Adventures".

Every other show that is like this is split out. The meta data from TV providers lists the current season as 22. I have yet to find any other source suggesting there are only 18 seasons. Why is TVDB sorting them this way?
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... php?id=270
Has more than 276, there are connected series listed in that link, which you'd have to click through to see more episodes (at the end of each of the series names it will generally say something like "(sequel)")
The https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes isn't a better source and isn't official as the official one is actually the Japanese site since it was originally a Japanese show and aired there first..
You mentioned "You will see they list "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon" separate from "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon—Ultra Adventures"."
Those are actually the same thing and shouldn't be seperate as the Ultra version is an alternative title that was used sometimes for the DVDs to seperate them: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=18745
This is season 18: https://www.thetvdb.com/series/pokemon/ ... fficial/18
"Why is TVDB sorting them this way?"
That is a longer story but has a lot to do with the ANN listings.
andcbii wrote:Why are these split if the sun and moon episodes are all grouped as 1?
If you go back and search through the forums is it has to do with the story arcs of Johto. The seasons were split based on when the arcs finished.
andcbii wrote:Since this is a Japaneses show I assume we should go with how they break out the seasons, even if american broadcasters do it differently. From what I can tell, using the translator in chrome, they only list 10 season. Here is the official Japaneses site: https://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/tv/?inc=lnav
Interesting point about the official site is the series has been reorganized since the episode were first aired and TheTVDB doesn't reorder after the fact generally but with Pokémon things are a little different than usual. Another thing is depending on the source you could also make some arguments for some really large seasons and TheTVDB typically prefers to avoid that when possible.

Since the launch of the new TVDB site many series (not just Pokémon) will benefit from some clean up and additions, naming in Pokémon's case is the ability to have alternative season listings and individual names per season rather than just "Season"
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:56 am

But now you aren't even following ANN listings...

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... php?id=270
276 episodes - 5 seasons

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... hp?id=1873
192 episodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... hp?id=6836
191 episodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=11685
84 episodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=14333
58 eppisodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=15491
92 episodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=17650
49 episodes - 1 season

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycl ... p?id=18745
130 episodes - 1 season

The above matches some what closely to the official Japanese website. The way TVDB has them list now makes zero sense. The TVDB has half the stuff split and half combined. Can we just treat the whole series the same or match the official Japanese listing?
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:19 pm

andcbii wrote:But now you aren't even following ANN listings...
andcbii wrote:The way TVDB has them list now makes zero sense. The TVDB has half the stuff split and half combined. Can we just treat the whole series the same or match the official Japanese listing?
I agree it isn't exactly following ANN.
I would also agree it is a strange case that has to do with legacy decisions.
I would disagree it makes zero sense as there is some internal logic there.

As for changing past precedent that would be best to table until the v3 of the site comes out so that legacy decisions can be kept ie alternative season listening. Once v3 comes out we'll have 4 listening possible for the seasons. We'd keep the main season listening as is, and then either have DVD, Absolute, and ANN or something like that.
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Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:47 pm

https://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9271
Official Websites* - The official listing for a series in its country of origin. Unless the listing is a god awful mess or conflicts with an existing site rule such as splitting of multipart episodes in animated series or aired ordering actually differs, the official listing will be considered gospel. No matter what the scene thinks.
The show should be updated to match the official website. There is no reason to maintain bad decisions from the past.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:12 am

andcbii wrote:https://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9271
Official Websites* - The official listing for a series in its country of origin. Unless the listing is a god awful mess or conflicts with an existing site rule such as splitting of multipart episodes in animated series or aired ordering actually differs, the official listing will be considered gospel. No matter what the scene thinks.
The show should be updated to match the official website. There is no reason to maintain bad decisions from the past.
It can be with the new site, but if we changed the rules to always go with the official site no matter what that would cause more problems since the official sites change after the airdate or a different company buys rights to the media and create a new listing completely, such is the case with Netflix when they buy rights they'll change the order or even have the series edited differently.
V3 of the site is the best solution for different episode listings without breaking legacy support and without having to make a lot of other changes.
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