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Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:10 pm
by sp1ti
NMe wrote:
DarklightIndigo wrote:
NMe wrote: No need to apologise, thanks for fixing it. :)
Credit where it's due, I didn't get to it first.
Someone else fixed that particular goof.
It was split up into two seasons again. I can't find another thread about it so no clue what happened this time. What's going on?
The show as well as Gundam were always a separate season imho... the continuation was announced with the first season's ending http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... on/.100315
http://blog.honeyfeed.fm/wp-content/upl ... cement.jpg also says 続編 which is basically sequel.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:10 am
by NMe
That means the continuation (better word than "sequel" here, if you ask me) was greenlit well before the first 12 episodes were over. And the show still follows all the criteria that the OP in this thread mentions. No seperate seasons on the official site. Only a short time (6 months) between cours. Official site keeps counting the episode numbers rather than starting at 1 again.

The same goes for Gundam. That entire show was greenlit in one go, just like every other Gundam show lately. The only good reason for splitting Gundam as far as I'm concerned is that the first batch of episodes actually can be seen as a whole, without feeling extremely unfinished.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:24 am
by sven7
Yes and no. I think the time skip that the show does would be a large indicator of a second season. They two parts are very much connected, but they do have their own plot lines. The first one largely resolves itself before the second starts. I'm definitely still in favor of splitting this. St this point, I would say we have a mod decide? It looks like Maretoh split it, but I didn't see any official decision here.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:02 pm
by NMe
Can we get a moderator to comment on what's going on with BBK/BRNK? I don't mind either way but I'm getting tired of all these shows that keep switching mid-season without any clear reason...

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:15 pm
by NMe
So let me get this straight. You make up a very ambiguous rule about how stuff is supposed to end up in this database. Then you decide in this particular thread that the single-season entry for BBK/BRNK (and Gundam) is correct, only to revoke that opinion weeks later - without a word. And then when asked about it you don't even bother to reply to the people who attempt to help you make this site better?

I'm done. Do what you want.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:47 pm
by DarklightIndigo
Fair enough.
The problem I have is that now I've edited it both ways, each time being reverted within a day.

I know it's premature to finalise a decision, but my understanding is that Absolute Order yields to acknowledged or arc seasons for anime Aired Order. Basically, unless the broadcaster splits into distinct seasons - a rarity for anime - we keep one season until another trusted source (such as ANN) specifies arc seasons, so that the Aired Order can be made more useful than the Absolute Order, which remains in any case.

Beyond that, there's nothing else I can say to ensure either approach is permanent.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:57 pm
by sven7
Do I take from that we'll keep MSG - Iron blooded Orphans as two seasons? ANN defines it that way. If so, works well for me. Thanks.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:41 am
by NMe
DarklightIndigo wrote:Fair enough.
The problem I have is that now I've edited it both ways, each time being reverted within a day.
My point was not that is has been edited. My point is that is was edited without a word and even though I've offered (at least for BBK/BRNK) a source as to why it should be a single-season in this very thread. I don't mind you discarding that and going in the other direction at all but as one of the people who keeps TheXEM working (which helps keep people who use Sickbeard and Sonarr out of your hair) it is extremely frustrating to have a show change overnight with no indication whatsoever if it was a mistake or if it was intended like this and is going to stay. I'm not asking you to make final decisions on how things are supposed to be based on non-existent information. I'm not even asking you to revert back to just having a season per cour even though I do think that was a lot more clear-cut. All I'm asking is for some communication from time to time so I can edit the entries on TheXEM accordingly.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:02 pm
by DarklightIndigo
A lack of communication, yes; a lack of information...?

My problem here is that, each time I've made an edit, I've been contravened by otherwise trustworthy sources, so I have no say in where we stand because I don't know.

If we go with one long season because that's what the broadcaster did, arc notation becomes meaningless, and Absolute Order is made redundant; however, we'd be contravening the official broadcaster having final say in the matter. That said, broadcasters tend to officially split seasons when they want, and usually do so along story lines, so there's something to be said for not following the broadcasters for an issue that should be relatively non-controversial.

Basically, in these two cases, I'm in favour of the splits as it doesn't seem that the broadcasters intend to acknowledge arc notation, but I'm not going to say that "split-cour" is an invalid concept on the whole.

Re: Changes to split-cour anime

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:04 am
by xhesakh
So is there a final verdict on whether some of these animes will use single season while others split into multiples? Maybe a written guideline to follow so we don't have to keep doing this change and reverse again.

As far as i know some of the shows currently being combined into one season (e.g. Bungo Stray Dogs), TVDB is the only source/site that does not split them up into separate seasons with the absolute episode numbering as the actual episode numbering. ANN, ANIDB, Japanese Media all addresses the show as two seasons.