Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

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monster2control
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Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby monster2control » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:21 pm

I was told to come here to ask this question. <- https://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?t=47234

Dragon Ball Kai is an Anime and like many Anime, there are English Dubbed versions. Sometimes, when a series is dubbed for English audiences, they are also cut or even ordered differently than their original Japanese versions. In this case, the show has now diverged enough that it no longer mimic's its original version and the information provided by TheTVDB now appears to be incorrect for the Dubbed version.

In the case of Dragon Ball Kai, Funimation released 8 additional episodes throughout Season 2. The maintainer of the series has marked these episodes as "special" because they did not air in Japan.

I asked if we could create a new version of the show, such as "Dragon Ball Z Kai (US)", firstly, the Funimation produced version include the letter "Z" in the title, and second since the Funimation produced version has many differences, it warrants it's own series entry.

It has different Voice Actors (cast), It has different Aired Dates, and it has a different amount of aired episodes.

If you rely on TheTVDB to be accurate for keeping show information in order with tools like Kodi, then not having a valid series entry for the Dubbed version of the show makes all the information for this Show inaccurate by these tools because they don't know that the "special" shows didn't air in Japan when you are watching and have the US dubbed version.

The best analogy I could think of was using a show like "The Office". Where there is a UK version and a US version. The show is the exact same show, show rights bought for US production, but it has a new cast, and not all the episodes match up with the original. This is essentially the exact same thing Funimation did, but they were able to re-use all the animation, but they still had to re-cast all the voice actors and not all the episodes are the exact same as the original.

I was told that the matter is closed, that according to policy, the show information will remain as is, which is fine with me, I don't want to change what is in there, I just want to add an additional series that covers the English Dubbed version. I would hope this is perfectly acceptable if the goal of TheTVDB is to be as accurate possible.

I do know there is a "Language" feature for series, and I don't know personally, but if a new series entry is not allowed, can it be made that the Language tags show different episode information based on which language is selected? When Japanese is selected, the 8 episodes don't show, but when "English" is selected", the 8 episodes show up as they aired.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby goku31640 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:58 pm

I agree completely. It has become a bit of a pain organizing my sub and dub anime.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby silverwolf » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:27 pm

So being a Plex user brought me here. This is my first post here. I had ripped the seasons of Dragon Ball Z: Kai this past weekend and was adding them to my library. However the information it pulls, seems to be for the Japanese release.

I plan on correcting it and adjusting this https://www.thetvdb.com/series/dragon-ball-z-kai provided I have the access to do so. I saw some posts on the Plex forum complaining about the seemingly mismatched information.

Plus I will need to get good posters for each of the 7 seasons. Hopefully I can find them digitally, but I may resort to scanning them in and trying to clean them up with Photoshop.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby Imzadi » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:30 am

We list episode how they original aired. Recut's are not allowed.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby goku31640 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:19 am

Imzadi wrote:We list episode how they original aired. Recut's are not allowed.


Would it really hurt anything having a second version of a show?

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby genemct » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:17 am

Unfortunately, if every show that had alternate recuts/order for content or language, there would be thousands of duplicates, which besides the actual database size increase, would make search impossible. They have talked about allowing additional multiple ordering within series, but it's not there yet.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby martin0641 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:43 pm

This is not a re-cut, like a Directors edition - it needs a different listing.

It has the term Kai in the name, it has like 160 episodes instead of the 270 something from the original.

The art was redone, the voices are different, the total number of episodes are different.

I can see some argument for things like "Predator" where there is a hunter edition and all that Jazz, but they still all have unique names in the titles - maybe one is a few more or less minutes long. But honestly, it's not even that hard to have an "edition" drop down for things that would make everyone's lives easier.

But Kai is like a hundred episodes of anime different, thats not some small tweak here or there.

Dragonball is not the same as Dragonball Z and Dragonball Kai is not the same as Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT is its own thing too.

Imzadi wrote:We list episode how they original aired. Recut's are not allowed.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby Imzadi » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:50 pm

It's still a no.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby Mistywing » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:16 pm

Clearly some requests in this thread are based on people not finding the existing listing for Kai (not all, but some.)

Dragon Ball Kai (159 episodes with the 8 unaired in Japan as specials - total 167)
If you want to make the 8 specials part of the other seasons, use the Airs Before/After feature already filled in or local XML/NFO files.
If you can't find it through keyword searches in the application you are using, see if you can search with the TVDB ID and use 88031. Plex and Sonarr both support this for example.

We will not be making another Dragon Ball Kai entry for the Funimation version with 167 episodes and all of their controversial changes, that is not how the show aired in the country of origin (Japan.)

Dragon Ball Z (291 episodes) for reference.

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Re: Shouldn't Dragon Ball Kai (English Dubbed - Funimation Produced version) be it's own show?

Postby blessleness » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:56 am

I honestly don't get where the problem is doing a second listing... The Dragon Ball Kai like we have it here is the only that was ever diffused on European or American TV... it's original, absolutelly no "re-cut" or something like that...
I'm sure there is enough people here in the community that could handle gathering episodes list and summaries, fanarts, translations, whatever is required to have all required elements... I thought TVDB was a community... apparently not...

Anyway if you don't do it, allow me to ask what shall we do then as simple users?

If you can't find it through keyword searches in the application you are using, see if you can search with the TVDB ID and use 88031. Plex and Sonarr both support this for example.

I don't understand what that means... could you rephrase please?

Thanks a lot