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bluesquirrel
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Re: Site slowness

Postby bluesquirrel » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:39 pm

@Mistywing,

Yes, there is vandalism at TheMovieDB (and also at IMDB), but because there is such an active and vibrant community over there, any vandalism is quickly found and rectified. The community here at TVDB is almost non-existent.

But that is not a TVDB or TMDB or IMDB specific issue. That is just life. There will always people working against the greater good and nothing will ever, ever change that.

But to lock shows and then expect users to wait months and months for any action to be taken is a poor process.

But I would hazard a guess that vandalism is certainly on the increase at TVDB, as more and more users are becoming frustrated and antagonistic towards the site and the treatment.

Do you have any stats on vandalism and updates performed?

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Re: Site slowness

Postby Mistywing » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:11 am

bluesquirrel wrote:But to lock shows and then expect users to wait months and months for any action to be taken is a poor process.

I don't think that's really part of the plan and more a consequence of multiple factors, including of course the current site performance issues. We still have to go through the same web form as regular users so any problem there is also reflected in our ability as more privileged users.

Regarding the recent vandalism, it was unfortunately pretty clear that they were staking out the series for any corrections made to sabotage them again within the hour. Users tried on their own to police some of the changes they noticed, and I tried leaving some which I thought less popular unlocked but both ways ultimately seemed pointless until the hard barrier was put up.

I'm hoping that the administration can work on making it a better tool so that the impact of such a situation is made less worse than right now.

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Re: Site slowness

Postby loyis7 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:29 am

Mistywing wrote:
loyis7 wrote:Why TheMovieDB have them opened and you don't see people there messing around with the titles, and causing problem ???

Because people are shitty. I'm sure you can imagine that someone dislikes TVDB more than you do and that this person decides to vandalize it because it's somehow fucking hilarious. FYI: they were advertising their own website in the vandalism they performed, so the motive was pretty damn clear.

I also have my doubts that TMDB doesn't have to deal with vandalism.


I am 100% sure you can find other ways for preventing people to vandalize the titles, without you having ALL of the titles locked. That's not a solution you are having right now. That's plain stupidity. You are putting your own grave on your database website. Either give permanent blocks, bans, IP's, of whoever vandalizes anything in here. I am not the expert, but i am sure there are other ways. Or else TheMovieDB would use the same tactic like you do. But they don't...! So that says ALOT!

As for who did what on sabotaging TVDB, i cannot speak for anyone else but only for myself. As i cannot know the full truth just because you said something about others. So let's stick to the part that ALL of their (TheMovieDB) titles are open. Trust me, i know this... (because i am a full active member there as well). If you want me to say it to you statistically, then from 100 titles of theirs only 2 of them are locked. When you have the exact opposite. 2 open, 98 locked, out of 100.
I am sure they also get their titles vandalized because as you stated, people are shitty indeed...sometimes. But as they do, also you have people (that's all of us) to fix what someone else messed up. So again we get to the conclusion that LOCKING ALL THE TITLES IS NOT THE CORRECT OPTION !
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Re: Site slowness

Postby Imzadi » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:20 am

You are forgetting why our records get vandalized. Because they pretty much synch to a lot more users and websites out there than themoviedb. It just doesn't have the same wanted effect.

Believe me, if there was another way than locking, we would do it. Because this is certainly not the easy way for us.

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Re: Site slowness

Postby loyis7 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:48 am

Imzadi wrote:You are forgetting why our records get vandalized. Because they pretty much synch to a lot more users and websites out there than themoviedb. It just doesn't have the same wanted effect.

Believe me, if there was another way than locking, we would do it. Because this is certainly not the easy way for us.



Either way, it is obvious by all the users who uses your platform, and who -by a majority- give negative feedback, it is imperative that you must find another way of formula rather than that of locking the titles.

What is the point of having a database that depends MOSTLY by it's users in order to grow and evolve, and not giving them access to update anything by themselves...? And rather having a method of ticketing in order for a title to be updated. Ticketing that takes AGES to get granted or rejected. That's not functional AT ALL, and that is the reason why the majority of this platform is whining about it and will continue to do so until something like this changes...
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Re: Site slowness

Postby markus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 am

loyis7 wrote:
Imzadi wrote:You are forgetting why our records get vandalized. Because they pretty much synch to a lot more users and websites out there than themoviedb. It just doesn't have the same wanted effect.

Believe me, if there was another way than locking, we would do it. Because this is certainly not the easy way for us.

Either way, it is obvious by all the users who uses your platform, and who -by a majority- give negative feedback, it is imperative that you must find another way of formula rather than that of locking the titles porno.

What is the point of having a database that depends MOSTLY by it's users in order to grow and evolve, and not giving them access to update anything by themselves...? And rather having a method of ticketing in order for a title to be updated. Ticketing that takes AGES to get granted or rejected. That's not functional AT ALL, and that is the reason why the majority of this platform is whining about it and will continue to do so until something like this changes...




I hope it does not change much. I am good like this now.

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Re: Site slowness

Postby theraster » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:20 pm

tvdb probably could benefit from a user system where you have to prove yourself not to be an asshat before you can make changes. and really prove not to be an asshat to make title changes. a basic moderation queue for the first few edits would probably create enough barrier to entry that people wouldnt waste their time (and bots) to do stuff.

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Re: Site slowness

Postby bergqvistjl » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:29 pm

theTVDB just needs to be more reliable, nothing else.

As for TheMovieDB, I find their TV metadata to be sorely lacking. No channel Info for a series, no Episode image info, for example. (At least when I tried to add a series manually on there).

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Re: Site slowness

Postby sp1ti » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:10 am

bluesquirrel wrote:This site is just useless now. I have been trying to grab info to help a member and I have spent an unwanted 30 minutes trying to gain access to the information I need. Absolutely useless.

Admins... You obviously have serious problems with the site and your administration. But rather than keeping a dialogue open with your volunteer members to try to keep us on side and help out in any way we can, you have effectively shunned us and provided us with a useless 3rd rate site with all the problems inherent in such a site.

Where do you see this site in 12 months time? Will your database be outdated by then, with so few members wanting to spend any valuable free time they have working here?


I don't think I get half of all thread notifications going on here :geek: . It's only fair to get a state of the union for TVDB or otherwise I'm really going to start campaigning for TMDB and hope for a comeback of the notorious bot "stealing" contributions from here. (the initial dump was supposedly based on freebase only ;))

loyis7 wrote:
Imzadi wrote:You are forgetting why our records get vandalized. Because they pretty much synch to a lot more users and websites out there than themoviedb. It just doesn't have the same wanted effect.

Believe me, if there was another way than locking, we would do it. Because this is certainly not the easy way for us.



Either way, it is obvious by all the users who uses your platform, and who -by a majority- give negative feedback, it is imperative that you must find another way of formula rather than that of locking the titles.

What is the point of having a database that depends MOSTLY by it's users in order to grow and evolve, and not giving them access to update anything by themselves...? And rather having a method of ticketing in order for a title to be updated. Ticketing that takes AGES to get granted or rejected. That's not functional AT ALL, and that is the reason why the majority of this platform is whining about it and will continue to do so until something like this changes...


The beta of V2 actually had hints of a ticketing system. At least there was a "request mod assistance" button there ([1][2]). My question to what it's full function was never got an answer though. The forum isn't an effortless way to report but it's at least something (TMDB also has a moderation queue which can get to a couple months btw).

While I agree that fewer things are locked on TMDB it still happens there too (even when it's not actually needed) or some moderators enforcing their rules without consulting problem tickets. The truth is it all boils down to userbase and reach. If TMDBs TV section ever gets truly big you will see the same as here. For the past 6 tv show seasons they had all the worst sign ups from new users and they contributed crap without anyone picking up on this and uploading spam backdrops, etc. It's not magic... but luckily the history there at least allows to retrace all of those steps.

theraster wrote:tvdb probably could benefit from a user system where you have to prove yourself not to be an asshat before you can make changes. and really prove not to be an asshat to make title changes. a basic moderation queue for the first few edits would probably create enough barrier to entry that people wouldnt waste their time (and bots) to do stuff.

Pretty much the only sensible option.

bergqvistjl wrote:As for TheMovieDB, I find their TV metadata to be sorely lacking. No channel Info for a series, no Episode image info, for example. (At least when I tried to add a series manually on there).

TV network info actually superior to tvdb (browse-able, country info, homepage, AKAs, svn logo) and even allows multiple channels per show but Travis still does not want to add airtimes which is what a lot of 3rd party sites gladly take from the API ;). Same for images... >HD< resolution, multiple per episode and language tagging.

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Re: Site slowness

Postby Cafeine » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:20 pm

I dont know who did what, but the site is working very very well for at least two days, now. Thanks & kudos!
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