[Merged] "Masterpiece Mystery!" & "Downton Abbey II ?"
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greybeard
Since PBS does not have episode guides for most of the Masterpiece whatever series, I cannot refer to a canonical source, but I have copies of all episodes of the first and second series recorded from uverse with my pvr. Uverse gives original run dates for most programs and I have found them to agree with my records and with this site and with most canonical sites for most shows. Downton Abbey series one ran in 4 episodes in Masterpiece Classics Season 4. Season II or Series II ran in 7 episodes in M-Cl Seas5. Series I is correctly listed, including run date, episode info and series title. However, Series II is titled simply Downton Abbey, without the season number, and the episodes do not have any info except run date. The first episode was last edited by bbobbo, but the rest of the episodes were last edited by brocken. I am ready to start adding the other info for each episode, but they need to have the season number of Downton Abbey added to each episode. I am not sure of the etiquette for doing that sort of thing.
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etw
If you mean: http://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=seasonall&id=187241&lid=7 I'm inclined to delete the entire series if it is what I suspect it it.
Is it just shows from elsewhere airing as part of a larger 'umbrella' series in the US? For example it looks like 4x08-10 are just copies of season 1 of http://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=214921&lid=7 and so on.
Are you able to give some more info about what the content and if I am right?
Is it just shows from elsewhere airing as part of a larger 'umbrella' series in the US? For example it looks like 4x08-10 are just copies of season 1 of http://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=214921&lid=7 and so on.
Are you able to give some more info about what the content and if I am right?
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greybeard
I see you are from England.
The second link you give above is to the new season of Upstairs Downstairs after a several year hiatus. Downton Abbey is a new series that will start season 3 in the fall. Masterpiece Theatre has been running on PBS in the US since 1971. Almost all of the programs are airings of things previously aired on BBC or coproduced by PBS or one of its member stations and the BBC. If you look at http://thetvdb.com/?tab=seasonall&id=78257&lid=7 you will see the extent of that tradition. In 2008 or so PBS split Masterpiece into several components: Masterpiece Classics, Masterpiece Mystery, Masterpiece Contemporary, and may be continuing to air some episodes as Masterpiece Theatre. Since BBC goes to some lengths to control our access to their programming in America, it would be an extreme act to purge several hundred PBS entries because they are rebroadcast from the BBC.
Which brings me back to my original question, is it a violation of etiquette for me to rename each of the Downton Abbey entries in Season 5 of Masterpiece Classic to Downton Abbey II?
The second link you give above is to the new season of Upstairs Downstairs after a several year hiatus. Downton Abbey is a new series that will start season 3 in the fall. Masterpiece Theatre has been running on PBS in the US since 1971. Almost all of the programs are airings of things previously aired on BBC or coproduced by PBS or one of its member stations and the BBC. If you look at http://thetvdb.com/?tab=seasonall&id=78257&lid=7 you will see the extent of that tradition. In 2008 or so PBS split Masterpiece into several components: Masterpiece Classics, Masterpiece Mystery, Masterpiece Contemporary, and may be continuing to air some episodes as Masterpiece Theatre. Since BBC goes to some lengths to control our access to their programming in America, it would be an extreme act to purge several hundred PBS entries because they are rebroadcast from the BBC.
Which brings me back to my original question, is it a violation of etiquette for me to rename each of the Downton Abbey entries in Season 5 of Masterpiece Classic to Downton Abbey II?
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etw
That's irrelevant for now given the comment below.greybeard wrote:Which brings me back to my original question, is it a violation of etiquette for me to rename each of the Downton Abbey entries in Season 5 of Masterpiece Classic to Downton Abbey II?
Our policy on here is to have things listed by the original airing network, so the Downton Abbey stuff sounds like it's a copy of: http://thetvdb.com/?tab=seasonall&id=193131&lid=7 which aired on ITV in the UK before it did on PBS. Therefore we would only have it listed the once as the standalone Downton Abbey series. If there is extra content added for the PBS broadcasts let me know and we can discuss it further, otherwise unfortunately it will be deleted at some point. In the mean time I've locked it to stop anybody spending time updating something which is likely to be removed.greybeard wrote:Almost all of the programs are airings of things previously aired on BBC or coproduced by PBS or one of its member stations and the BBC
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etw
I locked it due to this thread: http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php ... 87&p=41149 I didn't want people spending their time updating them if I was going to be removing them in future.
Basically it looked to me to be re-airings of other series as part of a larger 'umbrella'/container series. From the other thread:
This isn't going to be what you want to hear but if they are just the same as the originals then they should only exist on this site as part of the original airing series, and probably (not definitely until I confirm with the other mods) if they have a very brief introduction from someone or other the same will apply. If there are substantial differences then they'll stay
Basically it looked to me to be re-airings of other series as part of a larger 'umbrella'/container series. From the other thread:
I tried to find out there but couldn't, is there anything different about these shows on PBS compared to their original format? I saw references to some places saying they had 'hosts' for some of the series but couldn't find any details.greybeard wrote:Almost all of the programs are airings of things previously aired on BBC or coproduced by PBS or one of its member stations and the BBC
This isn't going to be what you want to hear but if they are just the same as the originals then they should only exist on this site as part of the original airing series, and probably (not definitely until I confirm with the other mods) if they have a very brief introduction from someone or other the same will apply. If there are substantial differences then they'll stay
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tannebil
BBC America takes BBC programming and repackages it for the US market. In the case of Masterpiece Mystery, the US versions have a host added and different promotional messages. AFAIK the specific show content isn't edited for content although it wouldn't surprise me since broadcast standards are different in the US than in the UK.
Personally, my view would be that the repackaging is significant enough to change the definition of the series and season but I'm not a mytvdb.com mucky muck so that's just my opinion which is shaped by what works best for me. Most of my use is via the API from VideoRedo-Autoprocessor and it wants to find series and episode titles that match the US broadcasts. Single sourcing data is a great idea in theory but duplicate data is sometimes the practical answer. Without accurate US show data, my workflow is broken for much of BBC America and I can't see any way to fix it as the only name remapping capability just handles simple renames not the consolidation of several BBC series into a single BBCA series. I can manually fix the metadata for each show after the fact but it's ugly at best.
I vote for treating all the Masterpiece series on BBCA as separate series from the original BBC shows.
Personally, my view would be that the repackaging is significant enough to change the definition of the series and season but I'm not a mytvdb.com mucky muck so that's just my opinion which is shaped by what works best for me. Most of my use is via the API from VideoRedo-Autoprocessor and it wants to find series and episode titles that match the US broadcasts. Single sourcing data is a great idea in theory but duplicate data is sometimes the practical answer. Without accurate US show data, my workflow is broken for much of BBC America and I can't see any way to fix it as the only name remapping capability just handles simple renames not the consolidation of several BBC series into a single BBCA series. I can manually fix the metadata for each show after the fact but it's ugly at best.
I vote for treating all the Masterpiece series on BBCA as separate series from the original BBC shows.
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etw
I've now unlocked Masterpiece Mystery *temporarily* while I get feedback from the mods. I suspect that this will get deleted but not 100% still waiting on some feedback from the other mods.
Feel free to add the latest episodes of you want BUT I wouldn't recommend putting to much work in as it may/probably will disappear in the near future
Feel free to add the latest episodes of you want BUT I wouldn't recommend putting to much work in as it may/probably will disappear in the near future
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pete_the_lion
This sounds like a flat out delete to me. From a quick scan, I know that Cranford, Pride and Prejudice, South Riding, Mystery of Edwin Drood, Birdsong, Upstairs Downstairs, The two Sharpe episodes, Tess of D'Ubervilles, Downton Abbey and Lewis exist in their original forms. I'm sure the rest do as well. It seems weird to treat this as a seperate series just because they got a random host to talk before the show. The show's content hasn't changed, it's just repackaged. "Promotional Messages" sound like sponsored advertising -not a content of the show.
Why not simply do the data manually? Or use any of the other renaming programs to get the data? Why do you need it to match an American broadcast date?
Also, isn't Masterpiece Mystery simply a programming block, rather than an actual program?
Sorry if i come across a little harsh here tannebil, but I can rarely see a use for duplicates, particularly when the broadcast differences only amount to an advert and an announcer. Some of these are only small segments of the shows in question - would it not be better to go the source (Sharpe for example) and see the series as it was intented, rather than two cherrypicked episodes?
Why not simply do the data manually? Or use any of the other renaming programs to get the data? Why do you need it to match an American broadcast date?
Also, isn't Masterpiece Mystery simply a programming block, rather than an actual program?
Sorry if i come across a little harsh here tannebil, but I can rarely see a use for duplicates, particularly when the broadcast differences only amount to an advert and an announcer. Some of these are only small segments of the shows in question - would it not be better to go the source (Sharpe for example) and see the series as it was intented, rather than two cherrypicked episodes?
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etw
I know this isn't what some people will want to hear, but consensus amongst the mods is that these should only exist in the original series and not in any of the masterpiece series. I'll be going through them in the near future to remove things that are already listed in their own series. Anything else will then be moved to the relevant series etc