TheTVDB.com

http://thetvdb.com/index.php?tab=seasonall&id=70525&lid=7&order=dvd&order=absolute&order=aired

The order of this tv series appears to be all messed up. There are also lots of blank entries & duplicates. What gives?

What gives? Well, I guess someone decided to screw up the order, being as this is an open database people can and tend to do that.
If you fancy posting some sources confirming what the actual episode counting/ordering should be, one of us can fix it.

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I figured out why they are this way, they are in the order in which they aired in japan. Since they aired in a different order for the US & some episodes exist only in US or Japan only, would it hurt to have a separate entry for the us airing. As long as the original author didn't mind I could create a Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs (US Version) or something like it using their thumbnails.

This website will show the differences in airings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saber_Rider_and_the_Star_Sheriffs#Episode_list

This site shows the US air order:
http://epguides.com/SaberRiderandtheStarSheriffs/

This is one of those cases where having both would likely be a good idea.

While I haven't seen either show in a number of years, as I recall it was less an adaption, and more a complete rewriting, with episodes in a wildly different order (with wildly different plots) based on which version you watch.

Both versions also have episodes that don't exist in the other version as I recall, which further makes trying to make a single entry nearly impossible.

No, we follow the official airing only.

Duplicate series are not allowed.

Wikipedia is also, not considered a source.

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Ignoring that he posted Wikipedia, this is a series that likely should be split. Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, and Star Musketeer Bismarck use the same source footage, but generally match the criteria for something that shouldn't be matched.

The shows were given wildly different plots, were aired in a wildly different order (mandated to the rewrites and plot changes), and both series have entire episodes that the other series does not have (as in, not only did the series have jumbled episodes, there are episodes that only exist in the US series, and only exist in the Japanese series.)

Both airings are official- One for Bismark in Japan, the other for Saber Rider in the USA. Finding anything akin to an official episode guide or list will be nearly impossible, but I tracked down what I could.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=824070 - A page that explains some of the changes (mixed into a larger article about content changes made for the series.)

The vast majority of sites only list information for one or the other.


This is a case roughly equivalent to Robotech. A Japanese series was used for source footage, but the two series' are vastly different.

I would agree with this if the US & Japanese versions had the same name. But there are too many differences between them to not to separate them.

1. They had different names.
2. The Japanese version has 5 episodes that do not exist in the US version.
3. The US version has 6 episodes that were made specifically for the US airing and do not exist in the Japanese version.
4. The names of the characters, locations, organizations and vehicles are completely different in the 2 versions.
5. The order in which they aired is way different (Yes, I know the US version has continuity issues).
6. The US episodes were changed for content & continuity.

I know in all technicality that these are the same shows. But with the vast differences between the US and Japanese versions should make them listed as 2 different versions of the show.

I'll wait on Hikaricores opinion, but it feels very DragonBall Z like.

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The difference in this case, while DBZ was rewritten, the overarching story was identical, with a few early episodes edited down/removed that were later added back in.

In this case the entire show has effectively been redone from scratch using Bismark as source footage, including animating new episodes from scratch. The characters aren't the same (with Saber Rider himself having only been one of the sidekicks in Bismark) and the episode order has completely been changed, along with the plot rewritten from scratch to match this new order (and of course, that some of the Bismark episodes don't exist at all in Saber Rider, and some of the Saber Rider episodes don't exist at all in Bismark.)

It's been rather normal for anime to edited down for the American airing, but this is a case where it quite literally isn't the same series anymore.

This sounds comparable to Voltron vs. Go Lion if I'm getting the general gist of it. If that is actually the case then it probably can have its own entry, however I'm entirely unfamiliar with the series in question so am only speculating based on what I've read here.

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