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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:37 am 
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Actually, ffmpeg has supported 10bit for awhile now. Xbmc's internal ffmpeg won't be updated till after the next major release, but external works just fine. As for ordered chapters everyone on both sides of that subject is being fairly pigheaded so idk if they'll ever work right outside of a few random media players for windows.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:19 pm 
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i doubt 10bit will be accepted anywhere other than the anime world though. It's a minimal gain for animation and basically nothing for live action. If you took the extra time that 10bit takes to encode, and instead bumped up the reference frames, you wouldn't really be able to tell the difference. i think the only show i've seen it be useful for was on nisemonogatari, and that's only because it's basically a succession of fanservicey still images. (joke)
I've bored maniacb to death with my hatred of ordered chapters that are un-joinable.

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The biggest improvement I've seen thus far is banding reduction. On a series with lots of dark scenes this alone makes a world of difference while still keeping filesize in the realm of sanity. :p

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:09 pm 
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true dat, actually. and at least 10bit is re-encodable to work with older devices (with the nightly of handbrake)
Ordered chapters however, break everything :(

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If it increases the quality of the encodes then that's sound by me. They now need to sort out the 720p release standards as so many of those releases are pixelated :-(

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There actually was an update to the HD rules as well removing the sizing restriction which had previously been placed on said releases, now they just use a standardized quality setting regardless of the output size.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:13 am 
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I've noticed far increased quality, with far decreased file size

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Yeh but degree of quality is inflated. They are comparing something that takes twice as long to encode and saying it's superior. Of course it is, it took twice as long to encode it! The encode takes longer with fake10bit, but if they had used a standard (non hacked) h264 encode using more reference frames, b-frames and upped the motion estimation range it would have taken the same amount of time for roughly the same quality. 10bit is a minimal improvement, of about 5% but it breaks functionality on many devices. I don't think that's worth it. I re-encode them into regular files at the same file size and notice hardly any difference (only the aforementioned banding in places.) It would do nothing for live action. But it is at least re-encodeable. Ordered chapters using different frame rates and all kinds of nonsense however are pure evil....

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I didn't think we were talking about 10-bit anymore, just h264 vs old xvid, no?

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Blame pete, he went offtopic. :p

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